Shock absorbers for Williams/amortisseurs Williams

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Re: Shock absorbers for Williams/amortisseurs Williams

Message par Sova » 18 avr. 2016, 00:30

Salut Fred

Yes, its two years already...fact is I had little money and Williams wasn´t priority, because i gived money to repair our house. And some money I put for my 11 Turbo too...And I wanted these Bilstein B6 still, but my financial situation not allowed this...Maybe it sounds stupid,two years and I still dont have new shocks :(

I search some about you talked....probably something like this?

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Fred, think you, are Kayaba Ultra SR for Clio 16s same quality and technology like original OEM Renault piéce Kayabas, which was used for Clio Williams?
Think you, Clio 16s and Williams front shocks (OEM) have same properties, settings but have only other mounting "foot" due to different wide front axle?
I hope you understand me...

ad. Pagid pads...you mean these?:
http://www.pagidracing.com/index.php?id ... adref=1610
http://www.pagidracing.com/index.php?id ... adref=3276

but it looks like racing stuff...what about cold braking, non-warming braking?

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Re: Shock absorbers for Williams/amortisseurs Williams

Message par Fred73 » 18 avr. 2016, 11:30

Hello :)

Yes you're right, magic camber can help you to reduce the camber angle added by the 16S shocks on a Williams. But I don't know if it will be enought to return like OEM.
I don't know well de KYB ultra SR so I can help you with this product.
You don't find the OEM shock in your country ? because there are very cheap and good so for me it's the best choice for you ;)
I think that williams and 16S have the same shocks except this "monting foot".

Regarding the PAD I only gave you an example. Because I don't have my williams since 6 years now ;( I don't know exactly what is the best PAD available for the williams/16S
I thing that some other guy in this site can give you better advice than me for that :) I only know that ferrodo 2500 is not a good choice. Perhaps DS uno is a better choice.
Don't worry about racing PAD and over heating. The only issue that you can have with racing PAD is the noise when you break at low speed ;)


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Re: Shock absorbers for Williams/amortisseurs Williams

Message par Michaël » 18 avr. 2016, 12:08

hello, I try to answer in english :D

you want only OEM shock? because Bilstein are really better :yes:
KYB Ultra SR are good too, but I prefer Bilstein B6, and it' possible with OEM springs

about brake pads, Carbone Lorraine are very good (RC6) and Pagid are very good too (but more expensive again)

exactly, the noise when you break at low speed is :diable: or :cursing:
I don't know like you feel things, but me, I take this with the smile :D

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Re: Shock absorbers for Williams/amortisseurs Williams

Message par Fred73 » 18 avr. 2016, 12:19

En fait son pb c'est qu'il n'a pas assez d'argent pour les B6.
et je croie qu'il ne trouve pas d'origine chez Renault. C'est pour ca qu'il demande ces Kyp ultra SR mais bon moi ca ne me dit rien de trop bon.

Trouve t'on encore les amorto d'origine williams chez renault en france ?
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Re: Shock absorbers for Williams/amortisseurs Williams

Message par mathp » 18 avr. 2016, 13:59

yes , ç est encore dispo chez Renault
74€ hors taxe pour l avant et 72€ ht l arrière (prix unitaire)

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Re: Shock absorbers for Williams/amortisseurs Williams

Message par Sova » 18 avr. 2016, 15:26

Michaël a écrit :hello, I try to answer in english :D

you want only OEM shock? because Bilstein are really better :yes:
KYB Ultra SR are good too, but I prefer Bilstein B6, and it' possible with OEM springs

about brake pads, Carbone Lorraine are very good (RC6) and Pagid are very good too (but more expensive again)

exactly, the noise when you break at low speed is :diable: or :cursing:
I don't know like you feel things, but me, I take this with the smile :D

Mika
Hello Michaël
Of course I want B6 or B14, but now it's little bit expensive for me. (B6 are around 600 Eur+livrasion to republique Tchéque -because B6 and B14 for Williams are offered only in France, it's special Bilstein product only for french customers)

ad. OEM Renault Piece Shocks...I know they are cheap...but problem for me is, when I ask Renault, they are not able to answer me, who produce these OEM shocks now!
I know before 20-25 years these shocks for Williams were produced by Kayaba.(Kayaba=OEM)
When Renault offers OEM now, why Kayaba don't produce front shocks for Williams now as well?? In online catalogue KYB front shocks are missing!
I am asking myself what give Renault Piéces to me, when I buy OEM? Renault does not produce shocks, they have sub-distributors like KYB, Bilstein and for example deCarbon in past
In my mind I have these scenarios:
1.Renault can sell me very old, original KYB from Renault warehouse, and these shocks can be very old I think...that sounds bad.
2.Renault can sell me any noname "shit" (when gear knobs for Williams are made in Turkey, shocks can be made anywhere, so it can be also anything bad, i think) Im not against Turkish people, but Id like only kebab from them, not car parts :D
3.Renault "call to Kayaba" and they will produce pair front, and pair rear shocks for me (its sounds very unbelieveable :hum: )

Those is three reasons, why I dont believe Renault OEM shocks...but maybe my misgiving is wrong.
And this is reason, why I thinking about Record Maxigaz SP, Kayaba Ultra SR with magic cambers and reason why I thought about B6/B14 (but they are expensive now for me)

...about brake pads
I heard racing pads are not good for normal street use, because when they aren't heat up, they brake bad...excellent braking with racing brake pads is possible only when they are heat up. I heard this, but I dont know if it's truth. Noise during braking in low speed is ok for me 8) I think that's not a problem...I don't have my Williams for daily use.

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Re: Shock absorbers for Williams/amortisseurs Williams

Message par Sova » 18 avr. 2016, 15:38

Fred73 a écrit : You don't find the OEM shock in your country ? because there are very cheap and good so for me it's the best choice for you ;)
voir. Mes trois scénarios pour Michael :)
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Re: Shock absorbers for Williams/amortisseurs Williams

Message par Fred73 » 18 avr. 2016, 17:52

I don't understand why you are so suspicious about Renault. They sell only brand new part and Mathp told us that there are available from any renault dealer.
Why it should be peace of shit if it comes from your local renault ? I think it would be the same part as in france. Renault keep a large amount of spare in her warehouse.
Mathp said it costs 74 € for one shock. This is very cheap :)
I think you should stop thinking about this very strange senarios :D
You don't have enought money for bilstein, simply go for OEM one witch are good and enjoy to drive your williams :drive:
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Re: Shock absorbers for Williams/amortisseurs Williams

Message par Sova » 18 avr. 2016, 18:28

Ok, maybe my scenarios are little bit paranoic :lol:
So looks like OEM is best match for me...Mathp is any member from this forum?

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Re: Shock absorbers for Williams/amortisseurs Williams

Message par Sova » 30 août 2016, 10:14

Finally I will buy shock absorbers :)
But I dont know which Bilstein are best. B14 or B6?

What is the difference between Bilstein B14 and B6 Bilstein dampers outside height adjustment dampers and sport springs which is at B14 set?
I do not know whether to buy B6 or B14. consult me
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